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Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - SoEzzy - 02-13-2013 01:16 AM

Utah BBQ Organization will be holding a BBQ Judge Certification class for new judges that would like to take part in BBQ judging, at Utah BBQ Organization events through out the year, there are contests every month from March to October!

Judges that take the class will get their membership to Utah BBQ Organization paid for the year, through to Dec 31st 2013, Utah BBQ Organization CBJ's will be given priority for seats to judge at Organization sponsored events.

The cost of the class will be $40.00 to those who are not already members of Utah BBQ Organization in good standing! If you have paid for membership already and there are 7 folks that this applies to, you will get the discounted rate for the Utah BBQ Organization Judges Certification, (if you are not sure if this applies to you, please feel free to contact me to check).

If people with existing CBJ's from any other recognized BBQ Sanctioning Body, (KCBS, MIM, FBA, GBA, etc), who would like to take this certification can do so for 1/2 price, ($20.00 to help pay for the meat)! You don't have to take the Utah BBQ Organization Judges Certification to continue to judge at Utah BBQ Organization events if you are already a CBJ, but priority seating will be given to those judges that have taken the Utah BBQ Organizations Certification.

The Judges Certification class will take place on Saturday 9th March at 6:00 PM:

The BBQ Pit Stop
865 W State Street
Lehi, UT

Please arrive by 5:45 as the class will start promptly at 6:00.

Post your name on this thread if you are interested in taking part, and in obtaining your Utah BBQ Organization Judges Certification.

The only other thing you will need to bring... is your appetite!

The sign up & payment page will go up by Saturday 16th February!

Disclaimer Please Note.
This is a Utah BBQ Organization Judges Certification class, and the Certification will be of use at Utah BBQ Organization events, there is no reciprocity for use of Utah BBQ Organization Certification at other sanctioning body events, at this time! If this changes at any time in the future, we will let everyone that has Utah BBQ Organization Certification know of those changes!


RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - Razcals Ribs - 02-13-2013 06:55 AM

I would Like to go to the class And So does my Wife sign us up for it:
Russell Potter
Brinda Poitter


RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - SoEzzy - 02-13-2013 09:08 AM

Thanks Russell & Brinda


RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - mrcourtneyw - 02-13-2013 09:39 AM

OK, so let me get this straight: Even though I am KCBS Certified, if I don't take this class, and I want to judge this year, I may not be able to because of the "Priority" list for people who take this class? Please, tell me how that's fair to those of us who are already certified to judge! I really don't see why any of us KCBS judges need to take another class so that we can guarantee a spot at the judges table for Utah BBQ Events. Really, I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but this just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.


RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - stewartr002 - 02-13-2013 03:31 PM

(02-13-2013 09:39 AM)mrcourtneyw Wrote:  OK, so let me get this straight: Even though I am KCBS Certified, if I don't take this class, and I want to judge this year, I may not be able to because of the "Priority" list for people who take this class? Please, tell me how that's fair to those of us who are already certified to judge! I really don't see why any of us KCBS judges need to take another class so that we can guarantee a spot at the judges table for Utah BBQ Events. Really, I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but this just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Hello Courtney,

You are asking a very valid question and one that I'm sure many will have on their minds. I'll take this opportunity to provide some background information and to answer your question for all.

First, our goal is to get more judges trained to support our competitions throughout the year. As you are aware, KCBS judge certification classes are few and far between in Utah. We have been discussing a Utah BBQ Organization judge certification class for some time to avoid having to use uncertified, and in many cases untrained, judges at our comps which at times, has had less than optimum effect on scoring. It's hard for the competitors to cook successfully if judge scoring is not consistent with the rules due to untrained and/or inexperienced judges. That's why the judge certification class has been formed.

Second, while developing the course, which is largely based upon KCBS rules, we decided that there are things we want to do a bit differently than KCBS. For instance, many of our comps will be 3 meat cooks, alternating between meats to reduce costs to teams. Also, we want to encourage judges to write comments, especially for their lower scores on entries, to provide feedback to the cooks for why they scored they way they did. We want positive comments too explaining what stood out for the judge and why they gave a high score. Toward that end, we will adjust turn-in times to be an hour between meats to allow plenty of time for judges to write comments. This will also give the teams more time to prepare turn-in boxes and complete their cooks. We decided that because of these differences, and a few more, there is a need to train judges that will be judging at our sanctioned events. While KCBS (and other) judges are certainly valued, our certified judges will have different training for Utah comps.

Third, and more to your question, I don't envision a time when we will have too many certified judges at any of our comps, but if we do, we had to have some way to decide which judges to take first. Logically, we would prioritize judges trained specifically to Utah BBQ comp standards first, other certified judges second, experienced but uncertified next, and finally volunteers last. All are served on a first come, first served basis within their groups. Hopefully, this gives the best opportunity for competing teams to get an accurate and fair score for their efforts according to Utah BBQ Org standards.

I should also mention that we are preparing a DVD to provide judge orientation instruction prior to every comp. This 30 minute DVD will give the judges not Utah BBQ Org certified a quick review of how we want to judge our comps. It will also provide basic training to inexperienced volunteer judges before they judge in our competitions.

Okay, I hope that answers your question. Again, we aren't trying to frustrate or leave our currently certified judges out of our comps. Frankly, we need every certified judge we can get. With 10 plus comps this year, we must expand our Utah BBQ trained judges pool to make sure the comps are well judged and to give the teams the best opportunity to succeed under the rules of our organization.

Please post any additional questions and/or suggestions you may have for improvements. Our certification program is just beginning and I'm sure we'll need to make tweaks along the way.

Randy


RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - wallywombat - 02-13-2013 04:18 PM

Out of curiosity do other regional BBQ groups have their own certification processes? If so which ones?

Has any thought been given to trying to get the 50+ KCBS judges we currently have actively judging in the local competitions?

What plans are in place to keep any UBO Judges active as judges? We have had several KCBS judging classes in the area but I believe the vast majority of people who have at one time become KCBS judges have let their KCBS memberships lapse.

Does having it's own judging program mean the organization of the judging side of a competition is going to be better organized. On a couple of occasions I have signed up to judge one of the UBO competitions and have been told "well we have to many judges already". This has made me think twice on committing my time on several occasions.

What methods are planned to keep people informed of competitions? While this forum is one way, other ways needed to be used as well so that people can be aware of potential judging opportunities. I have on several occasions talked with people at a judges table and they were unaware of any other competitions that might have occurred earlier in the year.

CB


RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - SoEzzy - 02-13-2013 05:16 PM

(02-13-2013 09:39 AM)mrcourtneyw Wrote:  OK, so let me get this straight: Even though I am KCBS Certified, if I don't take this class, and I want to judge this year, I may not be able to because of the "Priority" list for people who take this class? Please, tell me how that's fair to those of us who are already certified to judge! I really don't see why any of us KCBS judges need to take another class so that we can guarantee a spot at the judges table for Utah BBQ Events. Really, I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but this just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

It's a valid question and here is my answer!

Whilst we have always appreciated those CBJ's of other sanctioning bodies, (notably those of the KCBS), and are thankful for their assistance with competitions, we need to have more judges available to judge Utah BBQ Organization events.

In order to bring in more judges we have effectively two choices to train more judges: 1) train them locally to the criteria determined by the organization, 2) to bring in a KCBS instructor in connection with a KCBS contest and train them to the KCBS criteria!

When there is a KCBS contest in the area, who gets priority to judge those contests... KCBS CBJ's do.

What many may not be aware of is all the time, effort and cost of bringing a KCBS instructor in.

Generally the instructors will come in one day ahead of their normal arrival, (Thursday instead of Friday), and do the class on that Thursday night, this means that one or two cooks have to take the Thursday to cook for the class, then 8 - 10 people will help with the box preparation and act as table captains, so that the class can go through the judging process. After the class is done 9:30 - 10:00 pm, the cooks need to break down their cookers, and transport them to the contest site and set up again for the Friday. The instructor also needs an additional nights accommodation, and the rental of a vehicle for additional time as well. So the costs for that competition go up.

If you go to other sanctioning body areas, Georgia, Florida, Texas, who gets priority in those areas? The local organization judges get priority in every case.

As an Organization we are moving forward towards sanctioning body parity with those more established associations.

We have offered a reduced rate for KCBS or other sanctioning body CBJ's, we are offering the same reduced rate for those who are already members of the Utah BBQ Organization!

We have had several comments and questions from out of State teams and contest representatives, about judging standards. As an organization we are doing everything we can, to help raise the standard of the BBQ to be judged, and to raise the overall standard of the judging too!

I hope you will come out and certify for the Utah BBQ Organization and judge, or apply for those contests that you want to judge, (and that you get a seat), that is, if you can't come out and compete this year at those contests you would like to compete at!

As a KCBS CBJ you will of course have priority at all KCBS sanctioned events that you apply early enough to get a seat at, (first come first served basis)... For those Utah BBQ Organization events, we are intending to train additional judges, and, (as they are paying a higher rate than the existing CBJ's), that will help support the organization we are offering them priority at those events, still on a first come first served basis.


RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - SoEzzy - 02-13-2013 05:53 PM

(02-13-2013 04:18 PM)wallywombat Wrote:  Out of curiosity do other regional BBQ groups have their own certification processes? If so which ones?

Yes they do, GBA, FBA, MIM, some of the Texas organizations do too, I'm not sure about PNWBA you could always go look.

Quote:Has any thought been given to trying to get the 50+ KCBS judges we currently have actively judging in the local competitions?

Yes, thought has been given to this!

Quote:What plans are in place to keep any UBO Judges active as judges? We have had several KCBS judging classes in the area but I believe the vast majority of people who have at one time become KCBS judges have let their KCBS memberships lapse.

But we have not insisted that CBJ's membership is current for local events! So if they are choosing to not come out it's probably because they are working under a misunderstanding!

Quote:Does having it's own judging program mean the organization of the judging side of a competition is going to be better organized. On a couple of occasions I have signed up to judge one of the UBO competitions and have been told "well we have to many judges already". This has made me think twice on committing my time on several occasions.

Yes the judging side is becoming better organized!

How do you want it to work? The last person to sign up gets the seat, and those that signed up first don't? If there are not seats available it's because there are full tables of judges already.

Quote:What methods are planned to keep people informed of competitions? While this forum is one way, other ways needed to be used as well so that people can be aware of potential judging opportunities. I have on several occasions talked with people at a judges table and they were unaware of any other competitions that might have occurred earlier in the year.

CB

I think you are correct, expecting people to check on the forum is not enough, so I'll start a page for those that want to get on the judges lists, we can get their facebook information, twitter, along with email and phone numbers, then we can send out mass emails, phone calls facebook blasts.

Check back in a couple of hours it will have all the contact information and we will be able to get a fresh list to check.


RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - GOATTER - 02-13-2013 07:21 PM

Sign me up.
Jeremy Maynard


RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - SoEzzy - 02-13-2013 07:42 PM

Thanks Jeremy!


RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - PackerBacker - 02-13-2013 07:51 PM

As an outsider,looking in, all the BBQ organizations that have proclaimed their own rules and governing body to their own local events IMHO, take a hit so to speak, where KCBC organizers tend to shy away from organizing event within that region... Again my just my thoughts. A couple examples that come to mind are the Florida BBQA, and the PNWBA. Both great Org's as well as the Utah folks trying to upgrade and be their own governing body.

Not saying its right or wrong, but I, IMHO, think KCBS will shy away

Dave


RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - Razcals Ribs - 02-13-2013 08:20 PM

thanks for the Info Chris


RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - SoEzzy - 02-13-2013 08:20 PM

Packerbacker but the KCBS doesn't put on events outside of the Sam's Club tour!

And they will either continue to host those events or not, this year they left California out of the tour, and put one on in Washington, is that due to CBA being it's own organization?

Coalville will be a KCBS contest run by Tommy Duncan, and the $25,000 Wild West BBQ Shoot Out, Montego Bay Casino Wendover NV is a KCBS / Utah BBQ Organization event.

If any other large sponsorship event is put on by Utah BBQ Organization, where it is worthwhile, (more than $7,500 and a second year or beyond contest), then we may find that holding KCBS sanctioned contests happen more often!

Anyone else will either organize a KCBS sanctioned contest or they won't!

If contests are qualifiers for the invitationals outside of the KCBS, are you saying that teams won't come to them, or are you saying organizers won't find the sponsors with deep pockets to hold KCBS events, if we put a larger number of small competitions?


RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - PackerBacker - 02-13-2013 11:20 PM

(02-13-2013 08:20 PM)SoEzzy Wrote:  Packerbacker but the KCBS doesn't put on events outside of the Sam's Club tour!

And they will either continue to host those events or not, this year they left California out of the tour, and put one on in Washington, is that due to CBA being it's own organization?

Coalville will be a KCBS contest run by Tommy Duncan, and the $25,000 Wild West BBQ Shoot Out, Montego Bay Casino Wendover NV is a KCBS / Utah BBQ Organization event.

If any other large sponsorship event is put on by Utah BBQ Organization, where it is worthwhile, (more than $7,500 and a second year or beyond contest), then we may find that holding KCBS sanctioned contests happen more often!

Anyone else will either organize a KCBS sanctioned contest or they won't!

If contests are qualifiers for the invitationals outside of the KCBS, are you saying that teams won't come to them, or are you saying organizers won't find the sponsors with deep pockets to hold KCBS events, if we put a larger number of small competitions?

No Chris I'm not talking about Sam's Club Tour or CaliBBQA, I'm not saying anything about teams or sponsors or size of events. I'm just saying in the future, when KCBS see's independent sponsored contests by independent organizations, they tend to not pursue KCBS events in that region. You mention Tommy Duncan, he is an established, and well known event organizer. And i agree when there is more money, and hype KCBS is the way to go!

Now.. Buy no means am I trying to belittle the efforts of the UTBBQA, just giving my .02

Dave


RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - Phred - 02-15-2013 12:11 PM

Chris,

About what time do you think the class will be over?

Thanks,

Phred


RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - stewartr002 - 02-15-2013 12:14 PM

(02-15-2013 12:11 PM)Phred Wrote:  Chris,

About what time do you think the class will be over?

Thanks,

Phred

Phred,
We are estimating about 3 hours for the class so around 2100 (9:00 p.m. for us civilians ;-).
Randy


RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - Phred - 02-15-2013 12:18 PM

Hey Randy,

Will we be taught to judge the basic four meats: pork, chicken, ribs & brisket? Side dishes? Sauces? Just preparing my palet.

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RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - SoEzzy - 02-15-2013 12:31 PM

It's the 4 meats Phred... and may take up to 3.5 hours finishing at 2130 (ish) 9:30 (civilian ish)!


RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - Desert Magnolia - 02-15-2013 02:28 PM

I would love to be at the class but 100 miles away on a Saturday night is kinda hard. Let me know if you ever want to do one up this way. We have plenty of room.


RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - Big Johnson's BBQ - 02-15-2013 03:12 PM

Thanks for the offer Brad = I think we will definitely take your up on your offer!

We actually discussed that in the board meeting for the next class Brad - but hadn't planned it yet. It would probably be in conjunction with a Northern Utah Comp...


RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - Big Johnson's BBQ - 02-15-2013 03:57 PM

Add Fidel & Melissa Astorga to the judges class list as well...


RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - SoEzzy - 02-15-2013 04:58 PM

http://www.utahbbq.org/misc.php?page=cbj1 Here's the link to the PayPal page for the class!

Russell Potter
Brinda Potter
Jeremy Maynard (paid)
Fidel Astorga
Melissa Astorga


RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - bud-wie-ser - 02-16-2013 07:41 PM

Add my name to the list for the class.

SoEzzy Check your pm's Wink


RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - bjackbbq - 02-17-2013 04:04 PM

Sign me up as well.

Brad


RE: Judging class Saturday 9th March, at the BBQ Pit Stop Lehi! - SoEzzy - 02-17-2013 04:09 PM

Thanks Brad!